MS 180 C Chainsaw Bar & Chain Tips (Pro Setup Secrets)

Okay, let’s dive into the world of chainsaws, specifically the Stihl MS 180 C, and unlock some pro setup secrets.

Introduction: My Journey with the MS 180 C

I’ve spent countless hours in the woods, from my early days helping my grandfather clear fallen trees on his farm to more recent projects reclaiming urban lumber. And through it all, the Stihl MS 180 C has been a reliable companion. It’s not the biggest or most powerful saw out there, but its lightweight design and ease of use make it a favorite for smaller jobs, limbing, and firewood preparation.

However, even the best tool can underperform if not properly set up and maintained. Over the years, I’ve learned a few tricks that can significantly improve the MS 180 C’s cutting efficiency, prolong its lifespan, and, most importantly, keep you safe. This article isn’t just about listing specs; it’s about sharing practical, hands-on knowledge gleaned from years of experience. Let’s get started on how to get the most out of your MS 180 C!

Unlocking the Potential: MS 180 C Bar & Chain Pro Setup Secrets

The Stihl MS 180 C is a fantastic chainsaw for homeowners and light-duty users. But to really maximize its performance and ensure safe operation, a proper setup is essential. We’re going to cover everything from bar selection and chain sharpening to tensioning and troubleshooting, all with the aim of turning your MS 180 C into a well-oiled, efficient cutting machine.

Understanding the MS 180 C: A Quick Overview

Before we dive into the specifics, let’s take a moment to appreciate what the MS 180 C brings to the table.

  • Engine: Typically a 31.8 cc two-stroke engine, providing enough power for most small to medium-sized cutting tasks.
  • Bar Length: Usually comes with a 16-inch bar, but you can sometimes find it with a 14-inch. I prefer the 16-inch for the added reach, but a 14-inch can be more maneuverable in tight spaces.
  • Weight: One of its biggest advantages is its lightweight design (around 9.3 pounds), which reduces fatigue during extended use.
  • Features: Often includes features like the Stihl Quick Chain Tensioning (B) system and a Master Control Lever for easy starting and operation.

The MS 180 C, while not a professional logger’s saw, is a very capable tool for homeowners, landowners, and anyone who needs a reliable and easy-to-use chainsaw for occasional tasks.

Part 1: Bar Selection – Choosing the Right Fit

The bar is the backbone of your chainsaw, guiding the chain and determining the maximum cutting diameter. While the MS 180 C typically comes with a 16-inch bar, understanding your options and choosing the right bar for the job is crucial.

Bar Length: Balancing Reach and Power

  • 14-inch Bar: Ideal for limbing, pruning, and cutting smaller firewood. It offers better maneuverability and reduces the risk of kickback due to the shorter nose.
  • 16-inch Bar: A versatile choice for a wider range of tasks, including felling small trees and bucking larger logs. It provides more reach but requires more power from the saw.

My Recommendation: If you primarily use your MS 180 C for limbing and small firewood, the 14-inch bar might be a better choice. However, for general-purpose use, the 16-inch bar is a solid all-around option.

Bar Types: Laminated vs. Solid

  • Laminated Bars: These are the most common type, consisting of multiple layers of steel welded together. They’re lighter and more affordable, making them ideal for occasional use.
  • Solid Bars: Made from a single piece of steel, offering superior durability and resistance to bending. These are typically found on professional-grade saws.

For the MS 180 C, a laminated bar is perfectly adequate. Unless you’re subjecting your saw to extreme conditions, a solid bar is likely overkill.

Bar Maintenance: Extending its Lifespan

Proper bar maintenance is essential for ensuring smooth cutting and prolonging the life of your bar.

  • Cleaning: Regularly clean the bar groove with a bar groove cleaner or a thin screwdriver to remove sawdust and debris.
  • Filing: Use a bar dressing tool to remove burrs and smooth out the edges of the bar. This helps prevent chain damage and ensures proper chain lubrication.
  • Rotating: Flip the bar regularly to ensure even wear on both sides. This helps prevent the bar from bending or warping.
  • Checking Oil Holes: Make sure the oil holes on the bar are clear and free of debris. This ensures proper chain lubrication, which is crucial for smooth cutting and preventing premature wear.

Pro Tip: I always keep a small wire brush in my chainsaw kit for cleaning the bar groove in the field. It’s a quick and easy way to remove sawdust and keep the chain running smoothly.

Part 2: Chain Selection – Choosing the Right Cutter

The chain is the heart of your chainsaw, responsible for actually cutting the wood. Choosing the right chain and keeping it sharp is critical for efficient cutting and safe operation.

Chain Types: Understanding the Differences

  • Full Chisel Chains: These chains have square-cornered cutters that are very aggressive and cut quickly. However, they’re also more prone to dulling and require more frequent sharpening.
  • Semi-Chisel Chains: These chains have rounded cutters that are more durable and less prone to dulling. They don’t cut as quickly as full chisel chains, but they’re a good choice for dirty or abrasive wood.
  • Low-Profile Chains: These chains have a smaller cutter profile, reducing the risk of kickback. They’re a good choice for beginners and those who prioritize safety.

For the MS 180 C, I recommend a low-profile, semi-chisel chain. It offers a good balance of cutting performance, durability, and safety.

Chain Pitch and Gauge: Ensuring Compatibility

  • Pitch: The distance between three consecutive rivets on the chain, divided by two. The MS 180 C typically uses a 3/8″ low profile pitch.
  • Gauge: The thickness of the drive links that fit into the bar groove. The MS 180 C typically uses a .050″ gauge.

Important: Always use a chain with the correct pitch and gauge for your bar and chainsaw. Using the wrong chain can damage your saw and create a safety hazard.

Chain Sharpening: The Key to Efficient Cutting

A sharp chain is essential for efficient cutting and safe operation. A dull chain requires more force to cut, increasing the risk of kickback and putting unnecessary strain on the saw.

  • Filing: The most common method of sharpening a chainsaw chain involves using a round file and a file guide. This allows you to precisely sharpen each cutter to the correct angle and depth.
  • Grinding: Chain grinders use a motorized grinding wheel to sharpen the cutters. They’re faster and more precise than filing, but they also require more skill and experience to use properly.

My Sharpening Routine: I prefer to sharpen my chains by hand using a file and file guide. It allows me to maintain a consistent angle and depth, and it’s a skill that every chainsaw user should learn. I usually sharpen my chain after every tank of gas, or more often if I’m cutting dirty or abrasive wood.

Pro Tip: When sharpening, pay close attention to the depth gauges (rakers) on the chain. These control how much wood the cutters can bite into. If the depth gauges are too high, the chain won’t cut effectively. If they’re too low, the chain will be too aggressive and prone to kickback. Use a depth gauge tool to file the depth gauges to the correct height.

Part 3: Setting Up Your MS 180 C for Optimal Performance

Now that we’ve covered bar and chain selection, let’s get into the specifics of setting up your MS 180 C for optimal performance.

Chain Tensioning: Finding the Sweet Spot

Proper chain tension is crucial for smooth cutting and preventing chain damage.

  • Too Loose: A loose chain can derail from the bar, causing damage to the chain and the saw. It can also increase the risk of kickback.
  • Too Tight: A tight chain can cause excessive wear on the bar and chain, and it can also put unnecessary strain on the saw’s engine.

The Ideal Tension: The chain should be snug against the bar but still able to be pulled around the bar by hand. When you pull the chain away from the bar at the midpoint, you should be able to see about 1/8″ of daylight between the chain and the bar.

Adjusting Chain Tension: The MS 180 C features a tool-less chain tensioning system. Simply loosen the bar nuts, turn the tensioning screw until the chain is properly tensioned, and then tighten the bar nuts.

Pro Tip: I always check the chain tension after the first few cuts, as the chain will often stretch slightly when it’s new.

Adjusting the Carburetor: Fine-Tuning the Engine

The carburetor controls the air-fuel mixture entering the engine. Adjusting the carburetor can improve the saw’s performance and fuel efficiency.

Important: Carburetor adjustments should only be performed by experienced users, as improper adjustments can damage the engine.

The MS 180 C typically has two adjustment screws:

  • L (Low Speed): Controls the air-fuel mixture at idle and low speeds.
  • H (High Speed): Controls the air-fuel mixture at high speeds.

The Basic Procedure:

  1. Warm Up the Engine: Let the engine run for a few minutes to warm up.
  2. Adjust the Idle Speed: Use the idle speed screw to adjust the engine speed so that the chain doesn’t move at idle.
  3. Adjust the Low-Speed Screw: Turn the L screw until the engine idles smoothly and accelerates quickly without hesitation.
  4. Adjust the High-Speed Screw: Turn the H screw until the engine runs smoothly at full throttle without bogging down.

Pro Tip: Listen to the engine carefully as you adjust the carburetor. If the engine is running too lean (too much air), it will sound high-pitched and may overheat. If the engine is running too rich (too much fuel), it will sound muffled and may produce excessive smoke.

Oiling System: Ensuring Proper Lubrication

Proper chain lubrication is essential for smooth cutting and preventing premature wear on the bar and chain.

  • Oil Type: Use a high-quality bar and chain oil specifically designed for chainsaws. Avoid using motor oil, as it’s not designed to stick to the chain and may not provide adequate lubrication.
  • Oil Level: Check the oil level regularly and refill as needed. The oil tank should be about half full after each tank of gas.
  • Oil Output: Adjust the oil output if necessary. The MS 180 C typically has an adjustable oil pump. Increase the oil output for cutting hardwoods or when using a longer bar.

Pro Tip: I always use a biodegradable bar and chain oil to minimize my environmental impact.

Part 4: Mastering Cutting Techniques: Safety and Efficiency

Proper cutting techniques are essential for safe and efficient chainsaw operation.

Felling Techniques: Dropping a Tree Safely

Felling a tree is a dangerous task that should only be performed by experienced users.

  • Planning: Before felling a tree, carefully assess the situation. Identify any hazards, such as power lines, buildings, or other trees. Determine the direction of fall based on the tree’s lean, wind direction, and branch distribution.
  • Notches: Cut a notch on the side of the tree facing the direction of fall. The notch should be about 1/3 of the tree’s diameter.
  • Back Cut: Make a back cut on the opposite side of the tree, slightly above the notch. Leave a hinge of wood between the back cut and the notch.
  • Wedges: Insert wedges into the back cut to help guide the tree’s fall.
  • Retreat: Once the tree starts to fall, retreat quickly and safely to a pre-determined safe zone.

Important Safety Considerations:

  • Always wear appropriate safety gear, including a helmet, eye protection, hearing protection, gloves, and chainsaw chaps.
  • Never fell a tree alone. Always have a spotter present to warn you of any hazards.
  • Be aware of your surroundings and avoid felling trees near power lines, buildings, or other obstacles.
  • Never fell a tree in high winds or during inclement weather.

Limbing Techniques: Removing Branches Safely

Limbing is the process of removing branches from a felled tree.

  • Start from the Bottom: Begin by removing the branches from the bottom of the tree and work your way up.
  • Cut on the Opposite Side: When cutting a branch, stand on the opposite side of the tree to avoid being hit by falling branches.
  • Use Proper Stance: Maintain a stable stance and keep both hands on the chainsaw.
  • Avoid Cutting Overhead: Avoid cutting branches overhead, as this can be dangerous.

Bucking Techniques: Cutting Logs into Lengths

Bucking is the process of cutting logs into desired lengths.

  • Support the Log: Make sure the log is properly supported before cutting. Use logs or wedges to prevent the log from pinching the chain.
  • Cut from the Top: Cut from the top of the log, using the weight of the log to help you cut.
  • Avoid Cutting into the Ground: Avoid cutting into the ground, as this can dull the chain and damage the saw.

Pro Tip: When bucking logs, use a cutting guide to ensure that you cut the logs to the correct length.

Part 5: Troubleshooting Common Issues

Even with proper setup and maintenance, you may encounter some common issues with your MS 180 C. Here are some troubleshooting tips:

  • Engine Won’t Start:
    • Check the fuel level and make sure the fuel is fresh.
    • Check the spark plug and make sure it’s clean and properly gapped.
    • Check the air filter and make sure it’s clean.
    • Make sure the choke is in the correct position.
  • Engine Runs Poorly:
    • Clean the air filter.
    • Adjust the carburetor.
    • Check the fuel lines for cracks or leaks.
    • Check the spark plug.
  • Chain Won’t Cut:
    • Sharpen the chain.
    • Check the chain tension.
    • Make sure the bar is properly lubricated.
    • Check the depth gauges on the chain.
  • Chain Comes Off the Bar:
    • Check the chain tension.
    • Make sure the bar is properly lubricated.
    • Check the bar for wear or damage.

Pro Tip: Keep a maintenance log to track when you perform maintenance tasks on your MS 180 C. This will help you identify potential problems early on and prevent them from becoming major issues.

Part 6: Advanced Tips and Tricks

Now that we’ve covered the basics, let’s delve into some advanced tips and tricks that can help you get even more out of your MS 180 C.

Modifying the Muffler: Increasing Power (With Caution)

Some users modify the muffler on their MS 180 C to increase power. This involves opening up the muffler to allow for better exhaust flow.

Important: Modifying the muffler can void your warranty and may also make the saw louder. It’s also important to be aware that increasing the exhaust flow can lean out the engine, which can lead to overheating and damage.

My Recommendation: I don’t recommend modifying the muffler unless you’re an experienced chainsaw user and understand the risks involved. If you do decide to modify the muffler, be sure to adjust the carburetor accordingly to compensate for the increased exhaust flow.

Using a Milling Attachment: Turning Your Chainsaw into a Mini Mill

With a milling attachment, you can turn your MS 180 C into a mini mill for cutting lumber from logs. This can be a great way to salvage wood from fallen trees or to create custom lumber for woodworking projects.

Important: Milling with a chainsaw requires a lot of power, so the MS 180 C may be underpowered for milling larger logs. It’s also important to use a ripping chain, which is designed specifically for milling.

My Experience: I’ve used my MS 180 C with a small milling attachment to cut planks from small logs for building raised garden beds. It’s a slow process, but it’s a great way to utilize wood that would otherwise go to waste.

Customizing Your Chainsaw: Adding Comfort and Convenience

There are a variety of aftermarket accessories available for the MS 180 C that can improve comfort and convenience. These include:

  • Ergonomic Handles: Replace the stock handles with ergonomic handles for a more comfortable grip.
  • Larger Fuel and Oil Caps: Install larger fuel and oil caps for easier filling.
  • Chain Catchers: Add a chain catcher to prevent the chain from flying back towards the operator in the event of a chain break.

My Preference: I added an ergonomic handle to my MS 180 C, as I found the stock handle to be uncomfortable during extended use.

Part 7: Wood Science and Firewood Preparation

Understanding wood science and proper firewood preparation techniques can significantly enhance your wood processing efficiency and safety. Let’s delve into the key aspects.

Wood Anatomy and Properties

  • Hardwood vs. Softwood: Hardwoods (e.g., oak, maple) are denser and burn longer, while softwoods (e.g., pine, fir) are easier to ignite and burn quickly. The MS 180 C can handle both, but hardwoods require a sharper chain and more patience.
  • Moisture Content: Freshly cut wood can have a moisture content of over 50%. For efficient burning, firewood should be seasoned to a moisture content of 20% or less.
  • Density: Denser wood has a higher BTU (British Thermal Unit) rating, meaning it produces more heat per unit volume. Oak, for example, has a significantly higher BTU rating than pine.

Data Point: Oak has an average BTU rating of 27.5 million per cord, while pine has an average BTU rating of 16.8 million per cord.

Firewood Seasoning Techniques and Safety Considerations

  • Splitting: Splitting wood increases its surface area, allowing it to dry faster. It also makes the wood easier to stack and handle.
  • Stacking: Stack firewood in a single row, off the ground, with gaps between the pieces to allow for air circulation.
  • Location: Choose a sunny, well-ventilated location for seasoning firewood.
  • Time: Seasoning firewood typically takes 6-12 months, depending on the type of wood and the climate.

Safety Considerations:

  • Always wear safety glasses when splitting wood to protect your eyes from flying chips.
  • Use a splitting maul or hydraulic splitter with caution.
  • Be aware of your surroundings and avoid splitting wood near power lines or other hazards.

Project Planning and Execution

  • Estimate Wood Volume: Calculate the amount of wood you need for the winter to avoid running out.
  • Source Wood Sustainably: Obtain wood from sustainable sources, such as fallen trees or responsibly harvested forests.
  • Plan Your Cuts: Plan your cuts carefully to minimize waste and maximize efficiency.
  • Work Safely: Always prioritize safety when working with chainsaws and other wood processing tools.

Case Study: I once helped a neighbor clear a large oak tree that had fallen in his yard. By carefully planning our cuts and using proper splitting and stacking techniques, we were able to turn the tree into several cords of seasoned firewood, which he used to heat his home for the entire winter.

Part 8: Logging Tool Selection and Maintenance Best Practices

Beyond the chainsaw, having the right logging tools and knowing how to maintain them is crucial for efficient and safe wood processing.

Essential Logging Tools

  • Felling Axe: Used for felling small trees and splitting wood.
  • Splitting Maul: A heavier version of the felling axe, designed for splitting large logs.
  • Wedges: Used to help guide the fall of a tree and to split stubborn logs.
  • Cant Hook: Used to roll logs for easier cutting and splitting.
  • Measuring Tape: Used to measure logs and firewood.
  • Chainsaw Chaps: Essential for protecting your legs from chainsaw injuries.
  • Helmet with Face Shield and Hearing Protection: Protects your head, face, and ears from injuries and noise.
  • Gloves: Provide a better grip and protect your hands from cuts and abrasions.
  • First Aid Kit: Essential for treating minor injuries in the field.

Logging Tool Maintenance Best Practices

  • Sharpening: Keep your axes and mauls sharp for efficient cutting and splitting. Use a file or sharpening stone to maintain a sharp edge.
  • Cleaning: Clean your tools regularly to remove dirt, sap, and debris.
  • Lubrication: Lubricate moving parts to prevent rust and corrosion.
  • Storage: Store your tools in a dry place to prevent rust and damage.

Pro Tip: I always keep a small sharpening kit in my logging tool bag so I can touch up my tools in the field.

Part 9: Fuel and Oil Considerations for Optimal Performance

The fuel and oil you use in your MS 180 C can significantly impact its performance and longevity. Let’s explore the best practices.

Fuel Recommendations

  • Octane Rating: Use gasoline with a minimum octane rating of 89.
  • Ethanol Content: Limit ethanol content to 10% or less, as higher concentrations can damage the engine.
  • Fuel Stabilizer: Add a fuel stabilizer to prevent fuel degradation, especially during storage.
  • Pre-Mixed Fuel: Consider using pre-mixed fuel, which is specifically formulated for two-stroke engines and contains the correct oil-to-fuel ratio.

Data Point: Using pre-mixed fuel can extend the life of your engine by up to 25% compared to using improperly mixed fuel.

Oil Recommendations

  • Two-Stroke Oil: Use a high-quality two-stroke oil specifically designed for chainsaws.
  • Oil-to-Fuel Ratio: Follow the manufacturer’s recommended oil-to-fuel ratio, typically 50:1.
  • Bar and Chain Oil: Use a high-quality bar and chain oil specifically designed for chainsaws.
  • Biodegradable Oil: Consider using a biodegradable bar and chain oil to minimize your environmental impact.

Pro Tip: I always use synthetic two-stroke oil in my MS 180 C, as it provides better lubrication and reduces carbon buildup.

Mixing Fuel and Oil Properly

  • Use a Measuring Container: Use a measuring container to ensure the correct oil-to-fuel ratio.
  • Mix Thoroughly: Mix the fuel and oil thoroughly before adding it to the chainsaw.
  • Avoid Mixing in the Fuel Tank: Avoid mixing fuel and oil directly in the fuel tank, as this can lead to uneven mixing.

Important: Always dispose of used fuel and oil properly. Never pour it down the drain or into the ground.

Part 10: Safety Gear and Best Practices: Protecting Yourself

No amount of chainsaw expertise can compensate for neglecting safety. This section emphasizes safety protocols and essential protective gear.

Essential Safety Gear

  • Chainsaw Chaps: Provide crucial protection for your legs, reducing the severity of injuries in case of a chainsaw kickback or slip.
  • Helmet with Face Shield and Hearing Protection: Protects your head from falling debris, your face and eyes from flying chips, and your ears from the chainsaw’s loud noise.
  • Gloves: Offer a better grip, reduce vibration, and protect your hands from cuts and abrasions.
  • Steel-Toed Boots: Protect your feet from falling logs and potential chainsaw injuries.
  • High-Visibility Clothing: Makes you more visible to others in the woods, reducing the risk of accidents.

Safe Chainsaw Operating Practices

  • Read the Manual: Familiarize yourself with the MS 180 C’s owner’s manual before operating the saw.
  • Inspect the Saw: Inspect the saw before each use to ensure that it’s in good working condition.
  • Start the Saw Safely: Start the saw on the ground, away from your body, and with the chain brake engaged.
  • Maintain a Firm Grip: Keep both hands on the saw at all times and maintain a firm grip.
  • Keep Your Balance: Maintain a stable stance and avoid overreaching.
  • Be Aware of Kickback: Understand the causes of kickback and take steps to avoid it.
  • Never Cut Above Shoulder Height: Cutting above shoulder height is dangerous and increases the risk of losing control of the saw.
  • Take Breaks: Take frequent breaks to avoid fatigue, which can lead to accidents.
  • Never Operate Under the Influence: Never operate a chainsaw under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
  • Work with a Partner: Whenever possible, work with a partner who can assist you in case of an emergency.

First Aid and Emergency Preparedness

  • First Aid Kit: Keep a well-stocked first aid kit on hand for treating minor injuries.
  • Emergency Plan: Develop an emergency plan in case of a serious injury.
  • Communication: Carry a cell phone or two-way radio for communication in case of an emergency.
  • Know Your Location: Know your location and be able to provide it to emergency responders if necessary.

Pro Tip: I always carry a personal locator beacon (PLB) when working in remote areas, as it can be used to summon help in case of an emergency.

Part 11: Cost-Benefit Analysis of Owning and Maintaining an MS 180 C

Understanding the costs associated with owning and maintaining an MS 180 C, as well as the benefits it provides, is essential for making informed decisions.

Initial Costs

  • Purchase Price: The MS 180 C typically costs between \$200 and \$300, depending on the retailer and any included accessories.
  • Safety Gear: The cost of safety gear, including chainsaw chaps, helmet, gloves, and boots, can range from \$100 to \$300.

Ongoing Costs

  • Fuel: The cost of fuel depends on the frequency of use and the price of gasoline.
  • Oil: The cost of two-stroke oil and bar and chain oil can range from \$20 to \$50 per year.
  • Chain Sharpening: The cost of chain sharpening can range from \$10 to \$20 per sharpening, or you can purchase a sharpening kit for around \$50.
  • Maintenance: The cost of maintenance, including air filter replacement, spark plug replacement, and carburetor adjustments, can range from \$20 to \$50 per year.
  • Repairs: The cost of repairs can vary depending on the nature of the problem.

Benefits

  • Convenience: The MS 180 C is a convenient tool for a variety of tasks, including limbing, pruning, and firewood preparation.
  • Time Savings: Using a chainsaw can save you a significant amount of time compared to using manual tools.
  • Cost Savings: Preparing your own firewood can save you money compared to purchasing firewood.
  • Exercise: Working with a chainsaw can provide a good workout.
  • Satisfaction: There’s a certain satisfaction that comes from felling a tree, splitting wood, and preparing your own firewood.

Cost-Benefit Analysis Example

Let’s say you use your MS 180 C for 10 hours per year for firewood preparation. Here’s a rough estimate of the costs and benefits:

Costs:

  • Initial Costs: \$300 (chainsaw + safety gear)
  • Ongoing Costs: \$100 (fuel + oil + maintenance + chain sharpening)
  • Total Costs: \$400

Benefits:

  • Time Savings: 10 hours x \$20/hour (value of your time) = \$200
  • Cost Savings: 1 cord of firewood x \$200/cord (cost of purchased firewood) = \$200
  • Total Benefits: \$400

In this example, the benefits of owning and using an MS 180 C outweigh the costs.

Conclusion: Mastering Your MS 180 C

The Stihl MS 180 C is a fantastic chainsaw for homeowners and light-duty users. By understanding the principles of bar and chain selection, proper setup, safe cutting techniques, and routine maintenance, you can unlock the full potential of this versatile tool. Remember to prioritize safety, maintain your equipment, and always respect the power of the chainsaw.

Now, go forth and conquer your wood processing projects with confidence! And remember, the best way to learn is by doing, so get out there and start cutting!

Next Steps:

  • Review the owner’s manual for your MS 180 C.
  • Inspect your chainsaw and safety gear before each use.
  • Practice safe cutting techniques.
  • Sharpen your chain regularly.
  • Maintain your equipment properly.
  • Share your experiences and knowledge with others.

Happy cutting!

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